Bad EGR Cooler Leak Breaks Massey Engine! $$$ Expensive Repair

23-Apr, 2020
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With a bad EGR failure, it gets expensive quick!
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Here's how a bad EGR cooler leak on a Sisu engine turned into a massive engine job on a Massey Ferguson 4610.
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  • Same thing happened to our new JCB 4cx

    gumelini1gumelini127 kun oldin
  • What up

    Ryan BeyeaRyan BeyeaOy oldin
  • Hi

    Ryan BeyeaRyan BeyeaOy oldin
  • Call me 1 506 6504143

    Ryan BeyeaRyan BeyeaOy oldin
  • Massy still use the perkins engine most American farmers stay away from massy ferguson

    Ed CregoEd CregoOy oldin
  • Extensions added to torque wrenches ABSOLUTELY WILL cause significant torque loss. If you dont believe me test this theory yourself and you will be shocked just how wrong you are. Now obviously its not always possible to avoid using extensions and universal sockets on torque wrenches and even more rare that its actually a big deal but on a head its couldnt get anymore important. Heads and intakes ill never reuse gaskets or cut corners in those two areas

    nobodys homenobodys homeOy oldin
  • they sure got the worth out of the climate hoax deal... now the "pandemic" is getting there soon too. just like the insurance firms from nine/11. people just unzipping their pants and all for them. obviously it was all for the polar bears and some guys in a gave with microsoft flight sim.... "ok".

    Me 2Me 2Oy oldin
  • We have a Massey 1759, 1200hrs we have had exhaust plugged, something came apart inside the transmission, split the housing, we have lost the use of this tractor every year when we need it for the contract we bought it for, good thing we have friends with tractors we can borrow or rent, looking for something better but I think there like pickups now there all bad.

    Jim BolesJim Boles2 oy oldin
  • "but it was still running when you picked it up!"

    Eli J. S.Eli J. S.2 oy oldin
  • Is that a CNH or Fiat Iveco engine?

    bert26abert26a2 oy oldin
  • what is red and stays in the tractor shed?

    Fuzz ZeballsFuzz Zeballs2 oy oldin
  • All modern Masseys are build on mondays.

    LaurierLaurier2 oy oldin
  • Egr is the reason the 6.0 fords get a bad name.

    Brandon FloydBrandon Floyd2 oy oldin
  • Seen multiple failed EGR coolers, only a couple causing the engine to lock up. I always thought the hydro-locking due to a cracked EGR cooler causes the exhaust gas/coolant mixture to be brought through the intake side of the engine once the EGR valve opens. Not going through the exhaust valve into the cylinder. Especially being that most EGR coolers are mounted under the exhaust manifold.

    Brian BurdineBrian Burdine2 oy oldin
  • U say u like 3000 series masseys so do I I have a 3065

    Ryan McKintyRyan McKinty2 oy oldin
  • I've always loved Massey Harris/Massey Ferguson tractors and combines. My grandpa bought a massey Ferguson dealership in 1967, and had in until 81. Those in my opinion were the glory days of Massey's. Fun fact, we didn't do hardly any warranty work until the 2000 series came out. But after the dealership we became a Combine salvage yard, had about as many massey as we did JD, Gleaner, and IH, but we only had the 300, 410, 510, 540, 550, 750, 760, 850, 860 combines, then in 1987 we became a Tractor salvage yard at another store, had a lot of massey there too, newest we had was a massey Ferguson 8150, which was also one of our best salvage tractors. As for collectible tractors, grandpa had a Massey Ferguson 165 High crop (the only one left in the world), Massey Harris 202 serial number 1, Massey Harris 4X4, Massey Harris 555, massey Ferguson 135 vineyard, just to name a few. Sadly he passed away a month ago, and we have to get rid of a lot of his stuff, we also closed the businesses last year. But I still do love Massey tractors, and combines.

    Brenden HelmanBrenden Helman2 oy oldin
  • Hmmm... EGR cooler, eh? Sounds/looks like a component that should magically get bypassed.

    Eff yore FeelingsEff yore Feelings2 oy oldin
  • you guys should reach out to @malonetuning.... another canadian out in BC, diesel tuner not only for the car market, but does them for agriculture equipment as well!!

    Chris VisentinChris Visentin2 oy oldin
  • Darn junk 3 cylinders. Always some issues with anything mechanical, especially 3's

    Nitrodr1Nitrodr13 oy oldin
  • When Massey stopped using Perkins engines they went downhill, junk now!

    JohnnyBDyerJohnnyBDyer3 oy oldin
  • I need to create a following

    Loud Mike MediaLoud Mike Media3 oy oldin
  • Massive faliures lol some old agco crap just a different color

    Chad JusticeChad Justice3 oy oldin
  • The 4600 series all have this egr cooler issue, not terribly common but it does happen, the biggest issue with the 4610 specifically is the front cover of the transmission failing causing rough engagement of the power shuttle. And yes built by izeki not massey Furgesson.

    Aaron DyerAaron Dyer3 oy oldin
  • I don't think there's any Massey in a new Massey. It's all just the same AGCO crap with a different paint job. I still don't understand why they can't make an air cooled EGR cooler. Seems like it would be much safer and simpler.

    Watch Wes WorkWatch Wes Work3 oy oldin
  • Sisu engine?????

    daniel solbergdaniel solberg3 oy oldin
  • If it’s red leave it in the Shed

    al slagleal slagle3 oy oldin
  • All the Masseys you listed were good tractors. I feel the new ones are not as heavy built. Their front axles on the four wheel drive tractors are alot lighter built than the old ones.

    Jesse CordellJesse Cordell3 oy oldin
  • Would have liked to see the piston protrusions after the rods went in

    Chasp_0Chasp_03 oy oldin
  • So did you measure the new rods deck height. Then tell Massey you posted the specs. So everybody would know now?

    Master Chief 00117Master Chief 001173 oy oldin
  • I know neither emissions is good, but what is better, egr or def fluid systems?

    Blake BBlake B3 oy oldin
  • 11:54 Now that's some bollocksology right there.

    Seán O'NilbudSeán O'Nilbud4 oy oldin
  • What do I get for a ad? Give a wild guess😜

    DtobezDtobez4 oy oldin
  • Did that one piston say SISU on it ? Isn't that a scandinavian company !

    Scott MScott M4 oy oldin
  • I would be hesitant to do it on a road-going vehicle, but modern tractors are perfect candidates for EGR-Deletes. Modern diesels don't put out any smoke when tuned right anyways, so EGR is just a "lawyer solution" to a problem which no longer exists. Putting stack "scrubbers" (like small versions of the ones you see on factory smoke-stacks) in the exhaust would be a far better solution than EGR systems that can utterly ruin an engine. A Scrubber would just cause more exhaust restriction, and that's the worst of it.

    H3R3T1CH3R3T1C4 oy oldin
  • oh the irony of a MF advert during this major repair, next generation of tractor, roight .....

    BobBob4 oy oldin
  • No wonder old tractors are in demand.

    localcrewlocalcrew4 oy oldin
  • I wish or did I miss the dial indicate what the piston clearance was for real without bent rods??? I mean even one thousands is a bend and just a cold morning away from "aw shit". I see it was not so hard to tear down that the thing needed to start at the bucket and move forward to remove a part. Loose bolts seem to be the theme of equipment.... dirt perfect is working on his excavator in his shop and a lot of bolts are so loose that take them off with fingers or a full length piece of pipe (21') and then pray that and heat would remove. Pins put in very bad, it is his current repair video. I would of almost felt compelled to check more bolts throughout the machine. I thought they were put together at the factory... do they come in kits like the cheap furniture that you mail order?? Think "Fingerhut" ...LOL. Sad little machine.... do they need a drain at the bottom of that oil cooler or can you even do that??

    Morgan AdairMorgan Adair4 oy oldin
  • Would like to havr seen the clearance after new rod install

    Lewis BradfordLewis Bradford5 oy oldin
  • Well in America we have right to repair laws to get the specs

    Stephen ClarkStephen Clark5 oy oldin
  • I've got a Massey 4608 (detuned 4610). Really hope I don't run into this problem.

    Doug JonesDoug Jones5 oy oldin
  • Why wouldnt you delete every type of emmisions including the cats egr dpf or whatever it may have? Its off road only!

    Dave's GarageDave's Garage5 oy oldin
  • I am curious what these repairs cost. Would love to know a range at least. Like $3-5k. Around $5k etc. Thoughts DEBOSS?

    Tyler ShawTyler Shaw5 oy oldin
  • Seems like AGCO is open on mondays only... At least the Fendts/Challengers are running halfway decent. Although I had to clean three exploded hydro oil spills off the street last year.

    Da vidDa vid5 oy oldin
  • Love these farm videos!

    TempestTempest5 oy oldin
  • Why do they keep making things that are harder to fix and break down more often and much more to break?

    daddi275daddi2755 oy oldin
  • Some of the new tractors have more sensors and tech on them then new cars. I have always been a Massey Ferguson fan as well but they aren't existed really since 1994 when they were purchased by AGCO who also own White, Fendt, Challenger, and Valtra. Case IH is owned now by CNH who also owns New Holland, and who used to own Versatile. I kind of miss the days of each brand being owned by the name that was on the damn tractor versus some multi billion dollar corporation, I know pure craziness.

    Parent of TwinsParent of Twins5 oy oldin
  • Companies have taken the cheapest possible route to pass emissions versus actually letting the engineers come up a good solution that isn't crap for the engine. It works out better for the company if the emissions stuff shortens the life of the engine. I'm a firm believer in Climate change, I started as a skeptic and studied the data and how it was collected, but the way that companies are going about curbing emissions especially on diesels is idiotic.

    Parent of TwinsParent of Twins5 oy oldin
  • That engine still has cross hatching in the cylinders too, how many hours were on it?

    Gage CodutoGage Coduto5 oy oldin
  • Years ago everyone made a pretty good tractor. These days I’d only consider John Deere, Kubota and Yanmar. However, only John Deere for larger tractors 50hp and over.

    Zack ZanderZack Zander5 oy oldin
  • Compared to older air-cooled diesels, which a) had no coolant to leak, and b) no EGR cooler for the coolant to leak through lol

    DriveAndMaintainDriveAndMaintain5 oy oldin
  • Did the customer decide to delete the egr?

    dodgediesel441dodgediesel4415 oy oldin
  • EGR = delete

    Gordon HodgsonGordon Hodgson5 oy oldin
  • What is that big I3? I always thought it would be cool if Cummins made a 3CT 4.15L, half a 8.3L 6CT. Would be great if height is less of an issue than length and maybe fit where a 3.9L 4BT won't.

    hendo337hendo3375 oy oldin
  • You make this look so easy---great video!

    Del PriceDel Price5 oy oldin
  • this looks so sketchy and unprofessional. Are you guys even licensed mechanics?

    VenerableSageVenerableSage5 oy oldin
  • If it didn't have an EGR cooler it couldn't go bad in the first place. Stupid emmisions crap.

    Bloodbain88Bloodbain886 oy oldin
  • Will the EGR have any effect on fuel efficiency on a diesel? I wouldn't think it would, but I have zero experience with diesel equipment.

    superdupergroversuperdupergrover6 oy oldin
  • If you dont mind me asking what was the measurement with the new rods in if you guys did it ?

    Lee ShannonLee Shannon6 oy oldin
  • Emissions has killed the modern diesel as far as reliably goes. Delete that shit ASAP

    Wasup FoolWasup Fool6 oy oldin
  • Great video with excellent narration!..But Hey! You know that already.

  • What the hell dude, you rip the whole engine apart for a cooler leak? I dont work on tractors(crane trucks) but seeing coolant in the oil, the head would be the last thing i would open.

    samus989samus9896 oy oldin
  • What’s the difference between dry and wet sleeve?

    Big head RedBig head Red6 oy oldin
  • I don’t think that that small of a tolerance would make a difference new connecting rods or not🤔

    Brett CunninghamBrett Cunningham6 oy oldin
  • EGR delete all the things.

    Sean WielandSean Wieland6 oy oldin
  • 6:13 THATS how i know you're a good mechanic..... i grew up poor.... getting screwed over by scamming mechanics (your ball joints are bad....oh really, i replaced them two days ago!!!) the fact that you WANTED a quick and cheap fix..... and that your kinda bummed out to tell the customer its gonna cost a LOT more like..... i wish i could hug homo, just love ;) but really.... ive been a "pro" mechanic for two years now (been doing it to my family and my own cars for 18 years however) i have the same attitude as you i HATE making that phone call..... absolutely HATE HATE!! HATE!!!!!!! it i LOVE seeing people smile when i tell them i did the job ~200 dollars under what i quoted them i quote for the worst..... and hope for the best that way.... if it does turn out to be the worst case..... the customer is "pre-prepared". but 90% of the time..... it turns out that it WAS just that crank sensor or instead of a plugged up cooling system..... the customer forgot to remove the card-board from winter...blocking the rad. (did that "job" for free lol)

    kain hallkain hall6 oy oldin
  • Why wasn't this covered under warranty if the tractor is so new?

    CragifiedCragified6 oy oldin
    • @DGHD Really? Didn't buy from a licensed dealer? Cause the MF warranty is transferable as long as the tractor gets inspected by a licensed dealer.

      CragifiedCragified6 oy oldin
    • Bought used and the warranty doesn't transfer

      DGHDDGHD6 oy oldin
  • 2 years old and they are having to spend that kind of money thats hard on a farmers budget Ouch

    mattmopar440mattmopar4406 oy oldin
  • Isnt this a warranty case...?

    ButchE30M3S14ButchE30M3S146 oy oldin
  • Keep up to great work on the videos

    TAT Express Inc.TAT Express Inc.6 oy oldin
  • Sometimes you buy new equipment to save money and because of reliability, but older tractors in my opinion were made of better quality. It that fancy with A/C but didn’t need that much to keep them running..,

    Patricio GarciaPatricio Garcia6 oy oldin
  • You need a large IH with the 400 series engine man. lol. Indestructable.

    F.J.F.J.6 oy oldin
  • You never hear anybody talking about how much they love their emissions control components on their Diesel engine....

    D4rK An1mAD4rK An1mA6 oy oldin
    • Or anything else. I think the only people that like to see catalytic converters on cars are the EPA and a thief with a cordless sawzall;

      M MajorM Major5 kun oldin
  • I keep hearing this kind of thing about Massey. I looked at them two years ago when I purchased the last tractor. I walked away shaking my head. They were by far the lightest build of those I looked at.

    Mauser304Mauser3046 oy oldin
  • Whata POS

    Jeremy NunnJeremy Nunn6 oy oldin
  • EGR, DPF, DEF... all of which proves the existence of the Devil.

    Sebastian STI Euro TeamSebastian STI Euro Team6 oy oldin
  • No, thanks Boss! Put it back together with new gaskets, etc. No way I'd spring for three new connecting rods with no specs. And now that EPA has succeeded at "inserting" themselves into the off road industry, everyone can benefit from lower amounts of soot settling on the ground out there in the fields.

    gcflower99gcflower996 oy oldin
  • thats why egr must be taken off as soon as you pick something up from the dealer. ive seen so many engines get fucked by the egr, i always take it off when buying something new.

    allah snackbarallah snackbar6 oy oldin
  • We had almost the exact same problem with our deutz 615m , we checked everything and cleaned it all , new head gaskets get delete and she runs mint

    Jonathan VanginkelJonathan Vanginkel6 oy oldin
  • That looks like a pretty big three cylinder I figured it would be a four. Probably a great engine minus all the bull crap on it who makes the engine?

    The average Joe’s tinkering And Repair ShowThe average Joe’s tinkering And Repair Show6 oy oldin
    • It’s built by Iseki

      Lane SutterbyLane Sutterby6 oy oldin
  • We had a 4610 that went through 3 of them in 1800 hrs.....I won't tell on you if you deleted the egr cooler when the camera was off ;).

    John SeifertJohn Seifert7 oy oldin
  • Fucking junk egr delete it same with the dpf

    MrNezzy7MrNezzy77 oy oldin
  • Was never really impressed with the 4600's, the new 4700's look a bit better though. They are kind of too light for what we'd want anyway. Sure like our older gear.

    Mac FarmsMac Farms7 oy oldin
  • I remember driving an 07 (I think ) Volvo with a Cummins. Every once in awhile I'd notice it stumble and puff white smoke . Damn egr cooler!!

    GmJunky87GmJunky877 oy oldin
  • Wow. Just wow. Losing the egr cooler was cataclysmic, that wasn’t engineered into the tractor at all 😉😉 this is disgusting. These companies are outright taking advantage of their customer base that their forefathers built for the last 50+ years. They should be ashamed of themselves.

    Mitchell DeckerMitchell Decker7 oy oldin
  • Today’s manufacturing is built to fail. Companies should be sued. & personally feel it wouldn’t be hard to get evidence to sue these bastards. Just get 3 qualified diesel engineers, & go to court, display the evidence & collect the compo. Just delete the system, buy a stand alone ECU & replace a new map.

    chris77777777ifychris77777777ify7 oy oldin
  • Is this just like a chineese built tractor with a MF sticker on it.

    Luke PalmerLuke Palmer7 oy oldin
  • Wow we have this jcb 3cx that has been giving this egr warning for like a year. It appears anytime the machine reaches a certain temperature.

    Deboy 2014Deboy 20147 oy oldin
  • it would have been nice if you measured again with the new rods fitted to see what the difference was

    Robert CochraneRobert Cochrane7 oy oldin
  • I work as a Massey tech for the last couple years at a small dealership. The bolts loose is not a surprise, we have had to warranty anything from rims to loader bolts on their compact/subcompact tractors, causing us to have to check half a dozen different places and re'torque bolts before a tractor goes. We don't install loaders at our dealer, as far as i know most don't, when we order the tractor it comes pre-installed. We haven't had this specific issue on any of our 4600s, but water pumps have been decently common, and we have done 2 starters. An annoying thing about the 4600s is that when you pull the hydraulic filters (there are 2 and are big) the tractor dumps oil on the ground, about 5 gallons if you are really fast per filter. Its to the point where we will drain all the hydraulic oil when we do just a filter change just to avoid a mess.

    SandymanSandyman7 oy oldin
  • Running the same egr cooler 😂

    Dan StevensDan Stevens7 oy oldin
  • Just remove the egr it's not like its street legal.

    Evo EmperorEvo Emperor7 oy oldin
  • On a Monday in China

    Dan StevensDan Stevens7 oy oldin
  • I bought a Deere and then wished I had bout a Massey. Thanks for getting my head straight.

    BX BBX B7 oy oldin
    • My dad has a 2008 compact utility Deere and he has never had a problem with it

      Ottie OtterOttie Otter2 oy oldin
    • BX B Massey is shit get a deere

      Ottie OtterOttie Otter2 oy oldin
  • They things are my bread and butter They are Shit

    GinjaGinja7 oy oldin
  • FULL DE LETE that Biotch. 👎🏻🤬

  • Would someone in the eco-nut community please explain to me why farm tractors need EGRs and SCRs? NOx has a half life in the atmosphere of about 1-2 days (yes, I looked it up) so the impact to human lungs is minimal. How many people hang out in a farm field sniffing diesel exhaust? On my brothers farm ... just him and the custom operators and they aren't stupid enough to sniff the exhaust directly. All others have been warned.

    A Physics ProfessorA Physics Professor7 oy oldin
  • Curious if you put another EGR cooler on it ?

    MFB AlaskaMFB Alaska7 oy oldin
  • Stuff built Monday: doesnt work right, and hardly runs. Stuff built on Friday: dangerous, if it runs. Stuff built on Wednesday: probably the best of what you're gonna get.

    ErrorError7 oy oldin
    • @Chad Simmons Everyone needs a job. Not everyone is very capable. And factory work requires little to no skill. Some people like me are blessed with being useless.

      ErrorError2 oy oldin
    • You have to hire factory workers according to "diversity" not capability!

      Chad SimmonsChad Simmons2 oy oldin
    • @Necrothescist T run

      ErrorError5 oy oldin
    • What about stuff built on a Saturday or a Sunday?

      Necrothescist TNecrothescist T5 oy oldin
  • Hello egr delete

    Matt TuckerMatt Tucker7 oy oldin
  • Agco = junk. Agco would be wayyy better off to drop all their brands and just make one tractor, brand it agco and build something people can count on. Most times dealer support is the deciding factor on tractors. Go green. Out of all the junk I’ve ran, Deere is the most reliable junk.

    Tyler CarterTyler Carter7 oy oldin